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subsonika 1250529314|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
http://www.planet-mu.com/forums/general?t=66213
plus we get a little recognition :)
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Keith Hic 1250532173|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
seen you've been meeting the knob ends of the Mu board.
Nice to see a rally of support for you on the "hello. i'm new here." thread.
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iivix 1250534091|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Man, there's a lot of all-talk-and-no-trousers on that Mu board innit?
Less talk more music, that's what I say. So what if self-releases are often vanity projects - all music projects are vanity projects in one way or another. So what if tunes being given away for free are often second rate and low quality - so is a lot of music on traditional labels, the only difference is that I've had to pay money to find that out. So what if there are just too many releases online, so that every release gets lost in the noise - I mean, have you been to HMV Oxford Street recently? At least online comes with a search engine to help me find what I want… What matters is that there's some great stuff out there, and making it available online, for free, either via your own myspace or a label like DV (and I'm resistant to calling DV a netlabel, it's just a label, simple as), means that it reaches the widest audience for the smallest personal risk.
More people are making music now than ever, more music is available to all of us in more ways than ever, more risks are being taken. With radio digital, FM and pirate, in your car or at home, with music videos on TV or youtube, with MP3 players, and streaming audio onto your work PC, your home PC or a laptop, with CDs and yes, vinyl still, there's more ways and time to hear more music than ever. With netradio, blogs, reviews, wikipedia and discogs there's more opportunities to discover new genres and new bands. I personally love music now more than ever. You'd have to be a miserable bastard indeed to think that any of this was a bad thing :)
iivix, 1250534091|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
subsonika 1250536023|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
quote keith - "seen you've been meeting the knob ends of the Mu board."
lol - some agressive ppl there!
yeah, iivix (dont kno ur real name sry) its a very weird vibe.
subsonika, 1250536023|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
iivix 1250538251|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
iivix is my real name :) If I'm iivix on a forum then please feel free to call me iivix, innit? That said, I think you do know my offline name as it goes, seeing as we're friends on facebook and that :P
iivix, 1250538251|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Thee Crumb 1250544638|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Now I remember why I stopped lurking around Planet Mu a long time ago - five minutes of reading all that stuff and you'd want to give up making music forever (which I suppose is what most of the people on there want)
Thee Crumb, 1250544638|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
subsonika 1250556776|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
dont think i'll bother again.
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iivix 1250589220|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
It occured to me the other day that I don't actually hate any type of music any more. I mean, music is music. Music is good. Some I have time for right now, some I don't, some moves me, some annoys me, but it's all good. I just love music, music as music, even if I don't love unconditionally all genres all the time.
Why would I hate a genre or a tune?
- Because the person making it is unpleasant? No, I can tell the difference between the creator and the created.
- Because it's associated with a tribe of people that like it aren't my tribe of people? I mean, I'm not a flipping teenager any more. I'm secure enough in who I am to be able to like whatever I want.
- Because it's cheesy or uncool? I mean, come on, seriously? Why worry about people judging me on the sort of music I like? And I don't have to like it "ironically" either. I just like it. Yes, I'm a fan of new romantics, hi-nrg, trance, donk, happy hardcore, italo and a million other things that are considered cheesy or naff but honestly it's just music, just listen to it without prejudice and like it if you like it. There's no such thing as a guilty pleasure when it comes to music. A guilty pleasure in food terms is a knickerbocker glory, all loaded up with cream and a million calories. But music doesn't have calories. It's fat free. Listen to as much of whatever you want.
- Because it's derivative or unchallenging? I mean, sure, if that's the case then maybe I don't want to listen to it, but that's no reason to hate it, and there's always a time when you want to listen to something that's just simply what it is. As it turns out I love a lot of things that have just become stable and unchallenging genres. I mean, trance is just trance these days and won't do anything new really, but I still love it. I can listen to Ferry Corsten one day and Maruosa the next. There's time for it all.
- Because it makes a noise that's unpleasant or antagonistic? So this is super subjective anyway, and as a noise fan I love noise of all sorts. But say it's something like screamo hardcore, country with slide guitars, or autotuned r'n'b, to pick three genres of music that I admit I find the sound of to be annoying rather than pleasant. Does that mean I hate those genres? No, hardly. Does it even mean I don't listen to them? Nope, I actually seek out things I think I don't like from time to time to challenge myself to find something good in them, to listen to them in their own ways. If I find a type of music annoying it's often my own personal failing - as noise fans should be aware, different genres have different ways of listening, and it's up to you to learn that way of listening. If you don't then fine, it's your laziness, but don't turn that into hate.
- Because it's boring? Well OK, so I'll turn it off. But hate it? Why waste energy hating something that someone somewhere probably gains pleasure from, and that someone enjoyed making?
In fact, I can think of a few examples of music I hate, which would be things like Screwdriver and other nazi bands, but even then it's not really the music but the lyrical content. I think it's irrational to hate sound as sound, music as music.
iivix, 1250589220|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
iivix 1250612328|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Oh dear, Planet Mu is a disaster area. I think there's some rule where the more negative people are, the more inclined they are to type their thoughts, and thus forums being clogged up with criticisms, attacks, cynicism and just unpleasant behaviour.
iivix, 1250612328|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Alien_Hand 1250619180|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
What a bunch of pricks, it makes my blood boil reading through that, a grim reminder of why I stopped visiting 90 per cent of all the forums I used to visit regularly. Forum trolls are the devil.
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solypsis 1250623293|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
the occasional visit to other forums is always a pleasant reminder of how uniquely civil it is around here. thank you all for maintaining the level of supportive, thoughtful and encouraging posts that i'm so used to here.
i think in the 4 years+ of our existence we've had exactly 1 flame war here…and it was with a planet mu regular…hmmmm.
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Keith Hic 1250628774|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
it's nice here.
Keith Hic, 1250628774|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
subsonika 1250630367|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
i wanna mention that at the time i made this and wrote the title the planet mu thread hadn't quite divebombed into its present deph of ignorance.
i would now call it 'utter bollocks written by a couple of smallminded retards on planet mu re: nothing worth wasting your time on'.
though the bit about DV on the 1st page is actually positive.
come to think of it, it really is just 2 ppl there being aholes, everyone else seems ok.
i suppose because what those 2 ppl are writing is such offensive rubbish it resonates all the more.
its just sad really, i thought i'd visit a different forum for the experiece and it culminates in some little pr1ck telling me my music sucks.
i mean, maybe it does…its so difficult to be objective, but i make it with sincerity and out of a love of music and if ten other people in the world get some pleasure from it then i'm happy.
i would write that over there but i'm not gonna bait those aholes.
just reminds me how amazing it is here :)
subsonika, 1250630367|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
iivix 1250632729|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
It seems like the small minded prats over there think that no-one should be self-releasing music because they're too scared to self-release their own in case they're on the receiving end of some less than flattering criticism. At the end of the day, what I love about DV is that it's all about just getting music out there and not worrying about all that crap, not over-thinking, not deconstructing, not worrying about whether you're going to look cool or not, but just getting on and making/releasing music. That's the point of music really and I have a lot of respect for people that actually create something and get it out there, and no respect at all for those who would rather be cynical egocentric critics. I mean, christ, it's like punk rock never happened or something :)
iivix, 1250632729|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
junkshop coyote 1250633335|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I swore off PMu when Solypsis got ripped a new one for proposing what became CBML1.
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iivix 1250633356|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
For some reason I feel like I'm going to continue engaging with those trolls for while 1) because I have nothing better to do, and 2) because like Subsonika says, it's really only one or two bad posters over there, so perhaps some positivity can outweigh their horrid natures.
By the way Subsonika, please don't take their trollish opinions to heart. No one pays us for our opinions on DV and DV was never set up to be a big group hug, so if any of us (like myself) say we dig your stuff, then we dig your stuff, simple as :) Those are the opinions that should matter.
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iivix 1250633654|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I swore off PMu when Solypsis got ripped a new one for proposing what became CBML1.
Exactly, and what have we achieved since then? Almost 50 releases so far. Aaaaargh is up to 200 downloads already, just over the last week. Eustachian is just under 500. Jimmy Buffer is almost 800 already. We've got history, we've got quantity, we've got quality, we've got listeners, we're doing pretty flipping well, not just for a netlabel (and as I mentioned, I don't really think of DV as netlabel) but for any niche label.
And what have those Planet Mu naysayers achieved since then? Sweet FA I think.
iivix, 1250633654|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
subsonika 1250635286|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
tnx iivix :)
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Qrqyt 1250635410|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
in regard to planet mu forum, you're talking about two indviduals who have rooted themselves there for the sole purpose of making it shitty and inflicting their personality disorders on everyone. Arguing or even agreeing with them is pointless. They have both literally been saying the same shit for years, pretty much without a break. Their dedication to it is bewildering. The one guy is pretty much a parrot that has been taught some curse words. It's a bigger ego trip for them than all the vanity releases in the world.
hi there, keep up the good work
Qrqyt, 1250635410|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
iivix 1250635807|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Hey there (:
RE: your trolls, can you not just ban them?
iivix, 1250635807|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Qrqyt 1250636079|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
they're not my trolls
planet mu doesn't ban anyone
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Thee Crumb 1250668584|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Filched from K-punk (who has some very good thoughts on the subject)
It's quite easy to identify and distance oneself from a troll: once you've established they are a troll, sever all contact with them and - this is imperative - don't read anything they write. This requires a little discipline, but not much, and after a while you'll completely forget the upset they caused. For what is usually a very short period, trolls cause a great deal of incendiary, fruitless antagonism, but it seldom leaves much of a lasting trace. The final victory over them is achieved by simply persisting in the pursuit of a project, refusing to allow yourself to be ensnared in the self-doubts and impotent autocritique that disables them and which they seek to transmit to you.
the Troll above all wants to waste time, its libido involves a banal sadism, the dull malice of snatching people's toys away from them
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Keith Hic 1250670122|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I still go there (p-mu) as there are some really nice people, but far less than I used to as i don't find it anywhere as motivating as here. there used to be some really good chats there, but too much of the good threads gets trashed by the 3 bad eggs.
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