Junkshop Coyote album

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A casualty of economics?

Junkshop Coyote album

junkshop coyote 1207188189|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Well, once again, a financial emergency has led to me not being able to use my tax refund to fund this project. This will be the third year in a row that this has happened. I give up. I hope you all don't think I'm a total w*nker for going back on my promise. This has sat for too long now, I'll get some kind of cheap and cheerful artwork sorted and put it up online.

It really breaks my heart to make this post, but I think it's better to let it fly in some manner than sit on it any longer.

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solypsis 1207190865|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

that sucks. sorry to hear that…

i think most of us americans are feeling the money woes right now. i know i am.

if there's anything i can do to help, let me know /

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Keith Hic 1207207259|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I echo that.

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Mixomatosis 1207214129|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Can't you just get a load of preorders in and use the money from that to press it up, a la V/Vm?

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junkshop coyote 1207221039|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Well, I could if I were an artist with an established following like V/Vm.

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Mixomatosis 1207223272|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Not really… it all depends on a) who you're pressing it with, b) how many copies you're making and c) how much you want to charge for it. Put it out for $15, get just 50 pre-orders, and you'll have $750, which should be more than enough to do 500 copies or so with Dual Plover. If you can, offer incentives to preorder that won't cost you a penny to make, ie. extra downloads.

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Keith Hic 1207229812|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I'm suprised you're not considered this route with your CD Lee?

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Mixomatosis 1207231327|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I'm not planning to make a profit, so I'd have to get 100 preorders out of 100 copies to make it happen.

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Thee Crumb 1207243095|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

That's a real shame - and 3 years is too long to sit on any album - but Mixo is right really, it does depend on how many copies you wanted to press. This lot could do you 50 copies for about $100 (easy for me to say, I know, as it's not my $100) or let you outsource the whole thing so they press copies as they're ordered, so you dont have to have any physical stock at all. Some of the people on the RPM site have used them and seem generally pleased with the service.

It's better that you press 50 or 100 copies and sell the lot than press 500 and have them sat in a cupboard for years, like some people I've heard of.

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junkshop coyote 1207247062|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Oh wow, I thought 500 copies with Dual Plover would be the way I'd have to go, but I could easily do, say 50 copies at a time with this Kunaki and my once-a-month, no-bills-to-pay paycheck. And they drop-ship direct to Amazon? Why am I just now finding out about this?! Oh well - Crumb, I could kiss you right now!

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junkshop coyote 1207257067|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

OK, I checked out their terms of service and all that. I use lots of uncleared samples (which is a big reason why I don't use Murdochspace), and although Kunaki is basically an automated service, they can check stuff out and make sure it's kosher, and the first time someone contacts them crying "copyright infringement," they can delete the release straight away and pass any lawsuits on to you.

So I think I'll do a very limited run - 100-200 copies - and have the release deleted immediately if I can. Otherwise, if I let my account go dormant for 6 months - that is, not place any new orders with them or let them list it on Amazon, etc. - it will be deleted automatically. Does that sound like a decent plan to keep it under the radar?

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Thee Crumb 1207259380|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Indeed it does - but these kind of terms are standard for any kind of CD manufacturer, partly to cover themselves and, in the case of Kunaki, to stop people pirating major label stuff on the sly. It's always wise to be on the safe side, but unless you're sampling great chunks of Mariah Carey or something like that I shouldn't think you'll have a problem. Nobody's gonna sue you over 200 copies anyway - it wouldn't be worth their while.

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junkshop coyote 1207262766|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Mariah Carey? I think I'll stick to the original human dog-whistle, Yma Sumac.

I do destroy a couple of complete songs à la V/Vm, and I worry that they will be more anal about that here in the Corporate States of America. Especially since I dare to blaspheme *gasp* country music!

Forgive me for being gun-shy after HE! got set back so badly….

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Keith Hic 1207293218|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I like your under the radar plan Mitch. get your 200 copies and "delete the release". as long as you can get it past them from the first pressing then your in agood place, if you can't get it pressed, then you've lost nothing by trying.

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andy n 1207339734|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Mitch - keep me informed m8 how you go, but I think this is a good idea suggested by all!

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junkshop coyote 1208212288|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

My tax refund check came today, so I'm all set to go once the artist does his thing. I do need a code number now in order to fill out the template they use - is it OK if I blow Lady Luck a raspberry and lay claim to DVR013?

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Keith Hic 1208245000|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

is it

OK if I blow Lady Luck a raspberry and lay claim to DVR013?

Mitch, I very much doubt anyone here would deny you the joy of using a DV number.

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hardoff 1208253882|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

i would!

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solypsis 1208262843|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

but that's because you are pure, concentrated evil!

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junkshop coyote 1208297210|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

*sits on hardoff and f@rts*

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junkshop coyote 1213667273|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

All-fuggin'-right… Thee Crumb graciously sent me a copy of DVR022 along with some stuff I'm gonna host on HE! sometime this century, I swear…. He's using the plant I'd planned to use, I believe, and it's a CD-R. A professional-grade CD-R like major labels sometimes press their advance promo copies on, and it's gorgeous and all, but still. Grrrr.

So it looks like I'm going back to Dual Plover. My tax refund and my Bush bribe stimulus check have both already burnt holes in my pocket (being a homeowner will do that, I'm finding out), and I'm sick of having this project hanging out in limbo, so it looks like I'm gonna break down and get a credit card and just get this mess done and over.

It also means I'm going to have to pester the artist, which I hate doing since I dragged my feet for so long, but he did basically beg me for a deadline and I'd refused till now….

"Good music should happen when good music happens." - Goodiepal. Was he right? Is this even good music? I hope so.

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Thee Crumb 1213712583|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Actually Mitch, the people who did this for me are based in Tonbridge in the UK - I did look at using Kunaki (who are the people I suggested to you further up this thread) but their international postage rates killed that idea stone dead.

As I was only doing 100 copies, the idea of going for burnt CDs (as opposed to pressed) is simple economics. Going to the expense of getting a glass master made up to press only a couple of hundred copies is a pointless exercise. From what I've seen price-wise, unless you're going to do at least 500 copies, it isn't worth your while.

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junkshop coyote 1215706633|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I am cancelling this project. It will instead be an MP3 release on Hallo Excentrico!, because DV is not a netlabel and HE! is. Mods, please delete this thread. Thank you.

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iivix 1215708065|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

DV is not a netlabel as such, but after everyone else's MP3 releases, you're totally entitled to one too JC.

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andy n 1215722939|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

A shame, Mitch.. A major shame! Will still download it thou!

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solypsis 1215730928|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

i do hope that pidg's post did not lead you, however minimally, to this decision.

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junkshop coyote 1215827970|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

It was the last straw. The US dollar's swan-dive into the toilet, disappointment over Dry Heaves' nonexistent sales, and some deep-seated personal issues contributed too.

I've asked the artist to please bang out something soon so I can put this chapter behind me.